Friday, November 20, 2009

What Exactly Are We Rooting For?


So the Packers got a pretty big win this past Sunday. I didn't see much of it since I was in the woods, but from what I heard it was a pretty decent game, especially by Dom Capers' much reviled defenses. That's pretty cool. I like it when the Packers win. What I have found interesting is the reaction of the fans, or relative lack thereof. Last week the reaction on local talk radio and the like was overwhelming. It was obvious what needed to be done: Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy need to be hung, stabbed, shot, poisoned, tarred and feathered, drawn and quartered, not necessarily in that order. Then their wives and children sold into slavery, their family homes burned down, and the ground where they stood sown with salt. Everyone get your torches and pitchforks ready!

This week, the reaction has been all but non-existent. Now I'm no pregame show talking head, so I don't have all the answers. But the little bit I heard from those all-knowing sages of the gridiron made it sound like the Cowboys were heading to the Super Bowl Big Game in Miami, and then the Packers went out and smacked 'em around. People should be excited right? Yeah, this is how we thought the defense would play! Did you see Rodgers lead that drive to seal the game in the 4th, that was awesome! Instead, crickets. Until you mention the topic that people really want to talk about: Firing Thompson and McCarthy. Then the switchboards light up. The question the other day that got 'em all riled up, "Do you want the Packers to lose to ensure that Thompson and McCarthy get fired?" The reaction: Yes, yes we do. That boggles my fucking mind.


I want the Packers to win! That's why I'm a fan, not so I can bitch about the team and then talk about how right I was when it all goes horribly wrong. I want to watch my team win games, make the playoffs, go to Super Bowls Big Games. I find it astonishing that people actually think this way. We all know my personal feelings on McCarthy/Thompson (in case you're new to the program, McCarthy: whatever Thompson: not as bad as everyone thinks), and that's not the argument here. The point is I don't care how much one hates the coach or GM of a team, we should all hope that they are merely misunderstood geniuses. I know I do. I hope that the struggles and the frustrations are all part of the implementation of some master stroke that is going to lead the Packers to the promised land. Instead people are willing to openly admit that they hope the Packers LOSE in order to remove the coach and GM.


I can think of only one reason that the reaction against this current regime is so damn insane, and its name is Brett Favre. If the Packers had gone 6-10 last year with Favre at the helm would the public outcry and condemnation of the franchise be at this level? Doubt it. The stain of the messy divorce with the gunslinger has tainted and will forever taint (insert "taint" joke here) anything this Packers regime does. I firmly believe that if Green Bay won the rest of their games this year, there would still be a considerable portion of Packer fans out there that would still be going "Dammit." And even more would be unable to enjoy it to its fullest extent just because they know it means that Thompson and McCarthy did it, and they did it without number 4. I'm not saying that there wouldn't still be calling for their heads if the departure of Favre hadn't gone so badly, but it wouldn't have gone to ludicrous speed quite the way it has now. So if the Packer crazies have their way this year, Green Bay will be the first ever franchise tanking for a new coach and GM. Prepare the Bill Cowher talk.

8 comments:

Rubie Q said...

Well said.

I'm in the same boat re: Thompson (and I'll prepare my 15th post on the topic if I need to), but I have to disagree on McCarthy. The guy is a boob.

Master Reid said...

Yeah, no argument on McCarthy. I'm just not one to go nuts with calling for the coaches head. If he dies, he dies.

EMoney said...

Reid, we all know know that an incredibly large portion of the general public is, well, ignorant and will of course make asinine judgements and comments because of it. We see them "driving" down the freeways and listen to them spew ignorance on our local sports talk shows every day. Hell, "we" even decided to put a proven socialist at the head of the world's greatest democracy. That's a different discussion all together......and probably not suitable content for the QB.

My point is, I don't find that the reported "Yes" votes regarding the Packers losing so TT and MC will be fired to be completely credible. It's a vote on a sportstalk website for pete's sake......I myself have claimed to be a Badger fan on a poll once. It's essentially meaningless. So, while "Yes" received more votes, I'm guessing deep down these yahoo's really don't believe that. As much as I don't buy into TT's system of building a team, I would never want GB to lose games/tank so the superiors "might" be fired. That's just ridiculous!

Also, while I see your point about how the "firing talk" goes down after wins, I claim that it's no different in other cities. Further, I myself am not going to get overly fired up about last week's win over Dallas. While some might contend that they are Superbowl contenders (theoretically, so is GB at this point), I contend that the NFC is inferior to the AFC so beating a slightly above average team at home isn't something to go apeshit about. The fact remains that this is still the same jeckyl and hyde team that lost to Tampa Bay, a team that hadn't won a game in over a year. It's hard to get over something like that when the fans are expecting a playoff run. So until we can consistently beat good teams, the fans just aren't going to be happy. This franchise has been too good for too long to simply allow mediocrity. And that's what it boils down to. See Ted Thompson's plan isn't an overnight fix. He wants to build his team mainly through the draft which can take years. Since these fans are so used to success, it's hard to be patient and watch teams around us improve drastically in the course of a year or 2. They want to know, why isn't that us?

Scott said...

I gotta disagree, this team has an easy schedule and may sneak into the playoffs, I know anything can happen then but really, this team is not good enough to do any major damage and you are blind if you think so and I do blame being in that position on TT.

He has had plenty of time to show he can do good work and I don't think he has, this team has some glaring holes that will not be filled with one off season, and we all know TT will not sign major FAs. With a tougher schedule next year the team will be back to 6-10 or worse, so where is the gain? TT has shown that all his teams will be ok, but never really good (don't talk about Seattle, he was not the reason for the SB run there).

As a true Packer fan, I don't want to have a team that is consistently in rebuilding mode and almost there, so hell yes, I want the losses to pile up so dumb a**es stop thinking TT and MM are the answer, we all know they will not be gone if they sneak into the wildcard and lose the first game. Get these fools out of here IMO.

This is not all about 4, stay or go, TT needed to have a plan, the QB looks ok but still not a winner, which I can live with but the rest of the team looks like a mess.

I could be wrong and I reserve the right to jump on the bandwagon if they prove me wrong so I don't begrudge the team for winning but do feel it is not in the best long term interest of the team. Like it or not, I am still a fan even though you disagree with me.

Master Reid said...

See...

You are a Baffoon said...

I blame tough economic times on this one. Has anyone looked around at Americans these days? People are pissed about everything whether it's their job, the president, their favorite restaurant Fuddrucker's is closing down, we seem to be in some sort of manic depressive state right now. Of course then we have the Packers fans and good heavens have they been fricken spoiled. Brett Favre god bless his country hick soul, greatest quarterback of our generation. Seriously though, do you want to man the podium every Monday afternoon after the Packers play ball on Sunday? I sure as shit don't. People don't understand what it takes to motivate, scheme, play call, and deal with everything it takes to be a winner in the NFL. Sure the Packers need an O-line...Sure their running backs are pedestrian...Sure McCarthy isn't Holmgren, but he ain't Mike Sherman thank god. You have to give it one more year to shore up the damn before we can really say yeah or nay, but in the mean time simmer yourself down find another hobbie like jacks or knitting and let the professionals do work.

Sheets' Va Jay Jay said...

Fuddruckers is closing down!!!!! FML.

While up north this weekend I did hear a rumor that Mike Holmgren bought a house in Green Bay. Meet your new GM of the Packers...

Master Reid said...

Yeah, I've heard people calling for Holmgren as GM too. How quickly they forget that he was removed as GM in Seattle after just 4 years. I don't know a ton on the topic, but this guy does:

http://sea.scout.com/2/816748.html

It's an interesting read, if you're bored today. Let's just say I don't see any way in which Holmgren comes back to Green Bay.

PS("Jacks or Knitting"? LMFAO!!)